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On Tasting
Starting a Cellar and General Thoughts on Ageing Wines
Wednesday, 18th July, 2012  - David Farmer
"Be very careful about taking advice with preposterous claims about what will happen with wines as they age. Like us they die but in a much shorter time."

Recently a Sydney customer building a house with a cellar asked for some suggestions for Glug wines to 'lay' down. This is such a simple request but the more I thought about it the more complicated it became.

To bring you up to date with my thinking on this useful topic here is my reply, basically unedited...

Such a small ask but such a big topic. These ideas are best explored over time with many exchanges so please feel free to do so. So today I will give you just a taste.

Times have changed and I have with them by joining the majority who prefer whites and reds when they are young. I raise a red flag about the aging of any white wines at all.

In my now long career I have sampled wines from many of the best Sydney cellars and the hot, humid climate means they are never quite as good as those from much further south. Melbourne is not bad, Hobart is better. This is regardless of temperature control and all other ways and means you may try to maintain a stable cool temperature.

So where do these first points take us.

What do you mean by cellaring? If you mean by cellaring to have a room in which you store a range of good wines and freely pick at these and replace these with new wines then I think this is a very good idea. Indeed it will give you much pleasure. Thus you may purchase a case of wine, drink a few bottles and after several years, perhaps five years, find there are none left. You will notice changes in taste which is the idea. You may find a few wines which seem to be worth keeping longer though I raise another red flag if they are still around after 10 years. Very few wines will build aged flavours that are more interesting than the younger flavours. More importantly a cellar means you have stock which provides wider drinking options every day. This is far better than continually buying on the run.

If by cellaring you mean duplicating in some manner the great cellars of the European aristocracy and thus wish to push the wine boundaries by producing at a dinner party 50 year old Granges and the like I would suggest abandoning the idea. At this stage of your development go back to the shorter time scale. Great aged wines, 50 plus years, do exist but are quite rare and I would not attempt it in Sydney.

Let us now reflect on white wines. The appeal of whites is the freshness and vibrancy. Under modern bottling methods particularly screwcaps they remain fresh with little development for 2 to 3 years. Thus the idea of a cellar is to increase the range you can choose from each evening. Some you may keep longer to see what happens and yes, you will find they change. However I bet, with some exceptions, you will say, I wish I had drunk them earlier. This is also part of the fun!

All of the wines we sell, unless we flag otherwise, are made for immediate drinking and will give pleasure over the next five years. Many of our reds, particularly those containing mataro and grenache are best drunk in the 3 year time frame. We are making a small number of sensational shiraz's which will see out 10 years and it would not surprise us to see some providing brilliant drinking at 20 years of age. Please ask us about such wines.

Please be very careful about taking advice with preposterous claims about what will happen with wines as they age. Like us they die but in a much shorter time.

I note from your introduction you are a novice which is good. Few people ever admit this which stops them learning. Businessmen mistake regular drinking of expensive wines with knowledge when what they remember is the label. So my concluding thoughts are on this topic.

Glug is an unusual company as everything sold is our creation. Our wines will impress any drinker when served from a decanter, sight of label unseen. We do though make wines for a price and I must confess there are many other good wines, some alas better, but with a much higher price. Some of these you may graduate towards. These then are the name wines with the famous labels. Most people who cellar want these wines e.g. Penfolds, Henschke Hill of Grace. So if you have notions of 'increasing value', 'cellar worth', or see the cellar as an investment then this alters the approach. In this case again use my knowledge but stick entirely to the top 100 as defined by Langtons auctions. They are far from the best this country makes but are considered the best by what collectors-drinkers are prepared to pay. These have re-sale value whereas our delightful wines do not.

There is much to digest and consider from your simple ask but I hope this gets you started. I remain at your disposal.

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